Command the Room. Command the Mic. Command the Market. Jen Rogers with Tania Khazaal | #284

Command the Room. Command the Mic. Command the Market.
For visionaries who build empires without bowing to the world’s rules.

You already know you’re called. You already know you’ve been entrusted with influence. The real question is - are you stewarding it at full capacity?

In this episode, I sit down with Tania Khazaal, a powerhouse leader who went from rock-bottom circumstances to building a thriving, purpose-driven 7-figure business. Tania equips women to reclaim their God-given voice, vision, and authority. We’re not talking theory or hype; we’re talking about the often messy process of aligning your business, your platform, and your personal life without compromising your call.

Tania shares insights on:

·         Leveraging your story as a strategic asset to grow your reach and revenue.

·         Aligning your podcast and business with the calling God’s already placed in you.

·         The myth of “balance” and why high-level leaders operate in alignment instead.

·         Generosity as a business growth strategy in a market where trust is currency.

·         The mindset and operational shifts that turn influence into sustained profitability.

You don’t need to compartmentalize your faith, your business, and your platform.
 This episode will give you both the conviction and the blueprint to do it.

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Simplify Podcasting

Jen Rogers | Creator of the Podcasting Power Hour | Certified Coach | Keynote Speaker

 I teach experienced Christian entrepreneurs how to leverage podcasting so they can grow their impact, influence + income.

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Command the Room. Command the Mic. Command the Market. Jen Rogers with Tania Khazaal | #284

 
Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: [00:00:00] Do you unapologetically own your space? Let's first break down the question.

Focusing on you. What does unapologetically owning something mean for you?

Here are some questions to reveal how you own your space.

What are you known for specifically? 

How do you make a difference for your clients? 

How visible are you to your audience?

Next, let's focus on who you serve.

Do you refuse to give up on your clients?

What evidence do you have to support that you are in it, that you are going to go to the mat for them?

How do your podcast episodes shape the future for your ideal client?

How clear is your mission?

What do your clients say you are known for specifically?

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Today's guest is clear on her mission. She consistently shows up unapologetically and authentically. We met a few months ago for a VIP coaching day in South Florida where we both identified shifts necessary for our businesses to grow.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: That's my hope for you with this episode. As you listen consider what shift might you need to make? Since we met for the VIP coaching day, I have followed her regularly on the socials, 

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: which is why I asked her something that you and I must overcome as business owners when it comes to visibility.  Take a listen. 

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: What would you say is the most challenging aspect of showing up on social day after day?

Tania Khazaal: The first thing is, I find a lot of people are the fear of being seen, right? The fear of being judged and being seen based on what they're sharing, especially with their closest friends and family, which is crazy because I find in the world of social [00:02:00] media, a lot of the times your friends and family are the people that don't support you right off the bat, but then eventually start to support you.

Tania Khazaal: And it's not that they're not supportive of your journey, it's like they can't fathom that concept yet, and so they're skeptical a little bit on it, right? so that, that's a big one. I find working with so many people is always, I'm scared. What are people going to say? it has to be perfect before I can show up.

Tania Khazaal: Versus no, people prefer raw and real. Another part is the confusion of, okay, what do I post? what do I share? What do I do? And they feel like I have to constantly reinvent the wheel, but I just say, start with your storytelling then. Start with what brought you on this path? What do you want to share?

Tania Khazaal: Why do you want to share? What's your story? What's your hardships? What'd you go through? Share that with other people, because people gravitate to that. They love that vulnerability. They love that, authenticity that you get from storytelling. And then from there, it's okay, but now that I did that, what else do I post?

Tania Khazaal: they get caught up in, what do I post? And a lot of times I say, scroll through social media and the things that pull the strings of your heart, repurpose in your own way. Use that as inspiration, repurpose in your own way. You don't have to reinvent the wheel. And I feel like if they were able to just do those, show up, even if it's not perfect, because the mess is where you actually get clearer and better at it. And then not waiting for your friends and family's approval because that's not going to happen until you actually have skin in the game. And they've been like, oh, okay. they've earned their stripes. I'm going to support them now.

Tania Khazaal: And then using other people's inspiration as repurposing content.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: When you talk about storytelling, I suspect part of the challenge of sharing that with your family and your friends is they're more concerned about how they're going to show up in your story than what your story is. You're smiling.

Tania Khazaal: Yeah. A hundred percent. So storytelling is scary because they definitely feel like there's going to be some exposure happening there because [00:04:00] there's always two sides to the story. There's their perspective, which I'm a big advocate for. This is why I'm so passionate about the relationships and communication is because a lot of the times our perception is not their perception.

Tania Khazaal: And that's just the reality. But it doesn't justify bad behavior. It's just a lot of the times they're coming from their own unhealed wounds, their own pains, their own things, and so because they're unhealed, like storytelling heals you. I find that the more you share storytelling and all that, it heals you.

Tania Khazaal: But if someone else is not healed, they're going to be triggered by that because it could make them look bad because they haven't built that confidence in all of that yet. So it definitely can, I can say though, that fear is there, but I have rarely, out of like hundreds and hundreds of students that I've helped, rarely actually seen it become an issue.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Tania Khazaal is a builder, an innovator, a catalyst for helping others become the CEO of their life.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: . Tania is a number one bestselling author, speaker, and founder of spaces for growth. She builds communities, including the She's In Power, where women reconnect with their voice, vision, and power God placed within them. Tania's most recent work helps us estranged families heal and reconnect without walking on eggshells, losing hope, or sacrificing their faith.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: When you hear Tania's insights, keep this question in mind:

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: How can I build a podcast and business that generates consistent income without sacrificing my purpose, my health, or family life?

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Meet Tania Khazaal. Kicked out of her home. She was living in her car, which was about to be repossessed. Shame, pride, and feeling the victim came to a stop in one moment when she decided to no longer be the victim of her circumstances. From community housing to corporate [00:06:00] life to becoming an entrepreneur, Tania's gift will inspire you as she shares how she built an empire aligned with God's path.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: The mission of Simplify Podcasting stems from my own grit and commitment to unapologetically own my space aligned with biblical principles so you can leverage podcasting to become memorable, referable, and influential for the Kingdom of God.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Hey there. I'm Jen Rogers, podcast strategist and a woman committed to helping indie podcasters make money with every podcast episode, on either side of the microphone. Join other indie podcasters inside the free virtual podcast school. Click the link to join the virtual podcast school at https://www.coachjenrogers.com/community .

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Remember, you don't need a million downloads to monetize, but you do need to unapologetically own who you are behind the microphone. Tania is definitely stealing the show in this episode, number 284, of Simplify Podcasting. Crank up the volume on this one!

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: When you think about your own story and what you've healed from, what's the most challenging story that you shared? 

Tania Khazaal: I can't say just one, but I would say that one of the most, one of the most challenging things that I went through is I was in my late twenties and I was always in, in very toxic relationships with the cheater, with the abuser, with the liar, with the, all of the narcissist and all the stuff, because I grew up and I saw that behavior, so I normalized it.

Tania Khazaal: I thought it was normal to have these kinds of relationships, and so I was in my late twenties, yet in another toxic relationship. I was in a job that... I like when I say hated so much so that my body created chronic hi. Like I got stress induced hives for six months, head to toe covered in hives. It was awful.

Tania Khazaal: I saw dermatologists and allergists and they gave me all kinds of antihistamines and everything, and it was really brutal. [00:08:00] And I was also living at my best friend's house who was not a healthy household because she was going through a divorce and there's just a lot of things happening. So where I lived, I didn't like the relationship I was in.

Tania Khazaal: I didn't like where I was working, I didn't like, and clearly my body was, reacting to all of this. And it was so hard because during that time I had chronic anxiety where, Jen, every single day for two years, I would wake up and I would puke from the anxiety every single day. It was a given I was going to, I couldn't deal with it.

Tania Khazaal: I'd have panic attacks, all the things, and I just didn't know what to do. And that got to such a dark place for me. That I was forced to surrender. So it was a beautiful, pivotal moment at the same time, because I never fully surrendered to God. And I said, obviously what I'm doing is not working and I have no idea what I'm going to do and how I'm going to get myself out of here, help me.

Tania Khazaal: The next morning I woke up one morning and I ended the relationship that I was in. We weren't even fighting or anything, so obviously he was kinda like, what? But I ended that relationship. I said, I just, I can't do this. The very next morning. So less than 24 hours later, I quit my job. I didn't even have another job.

Tania Khazaal: I was drowning in debt. And then the same day that I quit my job, I went and I packed up all of my things from my friend's house into my two-door coop. And I moved back into my parents' house. I felt like a total failure, like failure. Here I am, late twenties, no job in debt, single again back at my parents' house.

Tania Khazaal: And a lot of the times when people hear that, it's They're so scared of surrendering. They're scared of leaving that relationship. They're scared of leaving that job. They're scared, whatever it is. But when I made that choice and I fully surrendered, everything shifted. Within one month, I got a job in a corporate position.

Tania Khazaal: That forever changed my life because it brought me to six figures very quickly. I got with my now husband at my little brother's wedding. I, we bought a house in less than six months. It's like [00:10:00] everything just changed so quickly because I chose to surrender. But that was one of the hardest points that I've gone through.

Tania Khazaal: Now obviously there's many others, but I would say that was one that from personal to professional to relational was really a dark place.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: I know you focus on mindset, and you focus on natural health. What was your wake up call after you had been struggling physically from your anxiety and you went to doctors, which means you got a bunch of pharma, what was your wake up call? How did you journey to that realization that maybe there was something else going on in addition to your anxiety?

Tania Khazaal: You're right, I would go to see doctors and they were like, take this, Ativan, take this Zoloft, take this medication. The reason why I personally didn't want to take the medication is because I watched my mom on her deathbed from too many pharmaceuticals. My mom was, has a rare disease called neurofibromatosis.

Tania Khazaal: So she's got very painful tumors in her nerve. So think about like teeth, nerve, like the nerve pain in your mouth. that's pretty much what she had. So they gave her oxys Ziploc for sleep, like synthetic heroin, narcotics. She was on it for over a decade and I watched her on her deathbed. I get my like ambition and my drive and everything.

Tania Khazaal: I get that from her. So to see that person on her deathbed, and that was another challenging time of my life that took me into a really dark place because I was grieving my mom while she was physically still alive. And, because I had to take time off work and do everything, I realized I, I meditated for the first time.

Tania Khazaal: I just tried to get out of my head and be able to ground myself. And I had an aha moment, Jen, where it was like. Okay, there must be something natural that I could do for her. Something. 'cause obviously this is not working. I refuse to say that she's just going to die from this medication. She was no longer coherent.

Tania Khazaal: She wasn't talking, she wasn't getting out of bed. And I went pen to paper, grabbed my first book on medicinal herbs. I said, lemme just see what I could find out about the nervous system. And I did. And I was so absorbed in this information and I brought it to her and she's like, I have nothing to lose. She became my Guinea pig.

Tania Khazaal: [00:12:00] She got off of her narcotics. She got off of her meds, she started living again, laughing again, talking again. And the doctors are like, there's no way they were taking urine tests and everything. 'cause they didn't believe it to get off after a decade. But she did. And for me, I had an, this is why purpose I found was at the root of anyone who struggles with fulfillment in their life.

Tania Khazaal: Because my anxiety. Was not just going to go away from a supplement or a pill. And I truly believe that what helped the most. Now, there was different things that I did for my mental health, but what helped the most is I had this new drive and purpose to life now that I wanted to share this information with people, I cannot believe the power behind this natural healing that I just uncovered.

Tania Khazaal: So I started experimenting with herbs on my own body and doing all of the stuff. But because of that excitement and that purpose and vision that I now had, that I wanted to share this with people, I within probably less than a month, if not less than that, my anxiety was just gone, literally gone.

Tania Khazaal: I started sleeping better, I was eating better, I was healthier, happy. everything just got better because of the amount of like serotonin and dopamine rush that you get from living in your purpose or trying to strive towards your purpose.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah, you mentioned you were in a six figure job, what happened to that?

Tania Khazaal: So I, yes. So that was the job that changed my life for in the corporate world, and it was great. But because of this newfound purpose that I had, I knew that I did not want to stay in this corporate job forever. Now I'm not one to say, "Oh, just quit your job because you want to live your purpose."

Tania Khazaal: I worked for four years in the corporate world while I was trying to build my business to a point of being able to actually leave it.

Tania Khazaal: So I had to do a lot of trial and errors and defeat and all of the stuff, but I got it to a point where I was eventually made as much, if not more, than my corporate job was paying me and left.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: When people watch what you share on Instagram, I know you're active on Instagram and people listen to you on podcasts, they might think you've got it all [00:14:00] together. Will you share a little bit about the entrepreneurial journey and how you would describe whether or not you ever get it together?

Tania Khazaal: A lot of people, a big reason of why I, I launched, for example, my She's In Power community is because most people, like when you think about what I call the wheel of life, I talked about the inner world relationships, lifestyle, wellbeing, and then vision and legacy.

Tania Khazaal: It's It's like the happiness of life, the wheel of life. And if one pillar is not satisfied, it bleeds into the other ones. For a long time, I would focus on one of those aspects; if I'm not focusing on my relationship or my motherhood, or I'm having so much mom guilt and all this stuff, it affects me.

Tania Khazaal: When I show up is because I'm sharing, I've gone through this, I want to share it with you on how you can come out to be a healthier and happier person. But just because you see the view does not mean that I had to do the climb and you never stop climbing, I find.

Tania Khazaal: Entrepreneurial really is the place that, especially in the first, I would say three to five years, is where you get good, not get rich.

Tania Khazaal: And a lot of people are looking for that quick money. I just want to get outta my job. I need that quick money. But that's not business. That's not true. Entrepreneurial spirit. Three to five years, you're getting so good that the success is going to come. You will become wealthy, you'll do all the things because this is where you're getting the skills, the knowledge, the wisdom to actually sustain a successful business.

Tania Khazaal: And I had to learn that the hard way because my first year, like I had mentioned, when I finally learned, the passive profit formula I share, which is the book that I have, is I did make six figures, but it doesn't stay that way. It's like this. And so I made six figures and then I, okay, I wasn't making as much money, but then I was making money again, and then I wasn't making as much money, but then I had to go through all of this stuff that had to teach me this.

Tania Khazaal: And so it brings you to your knees, it brings you to your knees of saying, oh my God, it was working, but it's not anymore. So I'm failing. I'm doing something wrong. Something's not working. And then all the doubts and everything [00:16:00] in your past starts to creep up on you. And that's the part that people don't see where it's, that happens, but your mindset is.

Tania Khazaal: Okay, what is God teaching me? What is the lesson in this? What is, what's the skills and the wisdom is it trying to teach me in order to actually get to my next level? And that's going to keep happening with every new level that you're reaching. And last year was a big journey for me in my business because it got to a point where it was the first time ever after working with hundreds of people, it was the first time ever where I, for example, had, a customer who, who didn't she came into my mastermind.

Tania Khazaal: She didn't show up to the calls, she wasn't doing any of the work And then just was like, I don't like your program. And came off, and I'm not, I never had that. I put everything into my clients and then first response was, what am I doing wrong? Oh my God, I screwed up. What should I have changed?

Tania Khazaal: What have all the things? And then of course, speaking with other coaches, big coaches in the industry, they're like, oh, this is your first time. You never seen this before? And I was like, no. And they're like, oh yeah, get used to it. It's a reflection of themselves, but she has to deflect. And I was like. Oh, okay.

Tania Khazaal: So I had to rework that because it tests you in so many different ways. And then that constantly brings you to Okay. But it was good because it also made me realize maybe there's something that I could do on the beginning that could help. And so everything, it's, it needs to challenge you to bring that success.

Tania Khazaal: If I didn't have it, I would never be where I am right now, where it's forcing me to look at some of the parts that are harder to look at.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Can you say that? Can you say, not that long ago, I was looking at some of the inner parts of my business that are harder to look at?

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Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Not that long ago. We were looking at some of those parts on a VIP day, and you drew out your business on a whiteboard. What was the big aha for you when you were looking at that whiteboard and responding to questions from your peers and our coaches?

Tania Khazaal: Yeah. So my big aha moment I was outsourcing so much of, I, I constantly looked for everyone else to solve my, the problems. In terms of, I need to hire this person to help me with this. I need to hire this person to help me with this. And I realized that all I was throwing away money and resources instead of saying, wait, I have the solutions here.

Tania Khazaal: and it was good because they helped me see what I knew deep down, but didn't want to admit. but it was powerful because it made me realize from an organizational chart, it's not organized. It's all, it's all over the place. I have this person here, but you're not actually fulfilling this role.

Tania Khazaal: You're doing this one. And so it woke up, it woke me up to saying, I have my power team that I need right now. I'm just not using them to the best of their abilities and the ones that aren't part of the power team, we just had to readjust. So it was a good wake up call in a sense of that inner inkling, that inner voice that's telling you, something's not right.

Tania Khazaal: It's there for a reason. And I know that because I teach that. But even when it came to something like that, I didn't want to believe it.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah. I find that the very things that we teach are the things the Lord [00:20:00] challenges us with the most to continue to refine us and take us to that next

Tania Khazaal: And to continue to teach it. Exactly.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah. 10 years from now, what do you want your children to say about their mom?

Tania Khazaal: Oh, that's a great one. I want them to say that she was so much fun. My mom was a lot of fun. She was always happy and healthy, and I loved watching my parents be healthy and happy together and travel. Like I want them to remember that you can work and have fun. I find especially in adulthood, people forget to play.

Tania Khazaal: People forget how to have fun like a lot of people and ask 'em what's the, when's the last time you like had that deep belly laugh where you had cramps and you're like, stop. and a lot of them are like, it's been a long time. And so that's, I want my kids to remember that so that they can forever live that same way, not take life so seriously in a sense of it's so temporary.

Tania Khazaal: Enjoy it; work hard, build your legacy, but do it while you're still enjoying it.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: What would you say legacy means to your kids right now? How would they describe legacy?

Tania Khazaal: Legacy. I truly believe that legacy is not just in the sense of, look, the millions and the monuments and whatever I'm keeping, for them. Legacy is how I'm living now. Like how legacy to them is their entire upbringing. this is what I know, this is going to become their legacy because of what they see in their home, what they hear, what they experience, what they visualize, that is their legacy.

Tania Khazaal: And so they, I don't think they really understand the term of legacy in, in a sense of oh, my mom left me millions, but I watched her miserable in life, but thank God she took care of me and left millions. Like for me, that's not legacy, that's burden; that's everything else that they have to deal with now.

Tania Khazaal: Where legacy is leading by example and watching that happiness and that health and the balance and the drive and the ambition and the belief system and all of that. To me [00:22:00] that's true Legacy.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: What's the one thing that really pisses you off?

Tania Khazaal: A broken system that has had people believe they're incapable of true health and happiness. It freaking pisses me off because we now have a society that is so dependent on healthcare they genuinely think that they can't heal without pills. We have an education system where people genuinely believe that I cannot be successful without a degree or a certificate or some kind of like accountant, engineer, lawyer kind of job, doctor job, right?

Tania Khazaal: Or that you have to exchange time for money. We have, right? When you think about the Indu Industrial Revolution and everything, we have just come to be very good at teaching people exchanging time for money. In order to get paid, you have to show up, you have to do the things, and you gotta compromise your family life and everything that's most important to you because you gotta do this to pay the bills and you gotta get a mortgage, which to me is a liability, not an asset.

Tania Khazaal: And you gotta do this and you gotta do that. So we have such a broken system that keeps people locked literally in shackles, not realizing that's the very thing that you need to remove yourself from to, to get that happiness.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: 10 years from now, what do you want to say about the women you helped?

Tania Khazaal: I want to say you did it, you freaking did it. You came in here and you didn't think that you can build this life of alignment where you can, like I am so passionate in a sense of. People feel like they have to compromise one thing over the other. Oh, I want to pursue my business, then I gotta compromise time with my kids.

Tania Khazaal: Oh, I have to be there with my kids. I'm compromising my purpose. Or I have to show up to work, but I can't, so I don't have, and then I have my kids, so I can't have to compromise my marriage. Everyone seems to think that you have to compromise one thing for the other, and that's not true. You can thrive in every single one of those.

Tania Khazaal: But it's a kind of like a balancing act of like alignment, not literally balancing where it's 25, 25, 25, 25, it's alignment. And I want to tell women you did it. See, look, now you're happy in your relationship, you're happy in, you're healthy, you're happy, and you have a good balance with your [00:24:00] children.

Tania Khazaal: So that mommy guilt is very minimal. And that's so important to me while you're pursuing your purpose because you can have it all. And to me, it's so important that I truly believe it. 'Cause I feel like I'm living proof of it. And even though it's always a work in progress, I do believe it. There's a way that you do that.

Tania Khazaal: So for example, a lot of people are like, I don't have time for date nights. Okay. But even if it's once a month, you make time for it. If that means that you're sitting in front of the house and the kids went to bed early today and you're sitting in front of the house, no phones, and you've got your cup of tea and you're just chatting and there's no distractions, that's date night! 

Tania Khazaal: It's not about, oh, if it's my purpose, cool, 18 minutes a day is a hundred hours a year. You can do that. The rest is all excuses., The dishes can wait till tomorrow morning so that you could focus on your purpose. It's just about finding that time and breaking from that scarcity mindset. And when I say scarcity, it's not just money.

Tania Khazaal: It's like the time and energy scarcity, right? I don't have the time when I have more time. More time doesn't show up for you. You make more time when you want to. More energy doesn't show up. You create more energy for it. And so I want women to be like, I did it! Like I didn't think I can. And I did.

Tania Khazaal: And that time, those 18 minutes, you're talking about 10 years, those 18 minutes end up a thousand hours in 10 years. And that in itself, when you do a thousand hours of anything, you become an expert in that field.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: I appreciate your comment about balance. I don't think there's any such thing as balance. I think there are competing priorities and you have to choose, and you have to communicate with the people that are in, that you're in relationship with, that, hey, this is a sense, this is the direction. Even when you take, for example, the trip that we took, that took a couple days out of our schedule, it's not our, we don't desire to leave our family per se, but we know we must do this thing in order to get to the next level.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah. All right. My anti,

Tania Khazaal: about balance. It's, that's why I say it's about alignment, because sometimes I have to put 50% in my business and I can only do 10% in my relationship and 30% in motherhood. And then other times it's 90% in motherhood and 10% in business. It's but the, I'm consciously [00:26:00] aware of, as long as I'm going back and forth between where my priorities are needed and I'm never neglecting one thing over the other over a long period of time, then it always just comes back around.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: That's really great. When you think about your business right now and what's coming, what we're experiencing with, I don't know if I want to call it a revolution, but an evolution with AI in integrating AI and managing our businesses and managing the fear that has risen up with people as we've gone through this huge shift.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: What do you see for your business next?

Tania Khazaal: Working with AI is going to be so incredibly important in business. If you are not using it, you are going to fall behind. Now, it's not there to replace you. It's there to enhance what you're creating right now. And I think it's so beautiful because it's allowed me to build and create at such a faster rate.

Tania Khazaal: And that faster rate is helping me learn quicker, adapt quicker, do all of the things quicker, and. But what's so beautiful is people get scared of it too. Because of it, people yearn for that human connection that much more. And this is where it's so beautiful, is like, as long as you're still showing up authentically, which is why I love my community and showing up for my people, is because they're more attracted to that authenticity and me showing up real while I have AI on the backend that's helping me expedite the stuff that I'm creating.

Tania Khazaal: Like even the goals and the tracking and the planning. And I had my whole marketing strategy written out on a piece of paper and I was struggling to conceptualize it. So I had a conversation with chat GPT and I said, this is everything I wrote. Help me conceptualize it 'cause I can't figure out how to build the pipeline and the stages.

Tania Khazaal: And it, it created it. And I was like, oh, this is what I was missing. And so this is the beauty behind it, but it's not replacing me. I'm not like, Hey, build this all out for me. 'cause it doesn't know me, it doesn't know the business, it doesn't know what's most important to me. And I think that's what's amazing about it is yeah, that's what it's helped me do.

Tania Khazaal: It's helped me create at a faster rate while it's a hundred percent me.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah, so an example of that would be, I know you have a free gift for the audience, so [00:28:00] an example of that would be how you're using Instagram and. Mix, mixing it. What's the word, commingling, using AI on Instagram. Can you share a little bit about the technical process and then share a little bit about your free gift?

Tania Khazaal: Yeah, of course. For example, ManyChat is an automation. It's like an AI automation. And I would never be able to keep up with the conversations in my dms if I didn't have that. But what's beautiful about it is I see them all and when someone replies back after that automation, I'm able to get into the conversation.

Tania Khazaal: So it's helping people get a response from me when I'm unable to, when you have hundreds, over a hundred thousand followers, it's hard. But I personally like to be in my dms and respond and send voice notes and everything. And so yeah. When you're talking about like the audio series, I think that's a big one because I have, a power pillar audio series and it's really about the three pillars and purpose in life and happiness.

Tania Khazaal: And it's something that I created and I share with my, my, my premium coaching clients. But it was such a short snippet of three videos that had such a big impact and I was like, okay. I need to share this with more people. I'm happy to share that with your audience and say here's the power pillar audio series.

Tania Khazaal: Listen to it. and then, yeah, like I said, when they're DMing me, it's here, DM me that, that word and I'm going to send it to you and let's have a conversation. 'cause now I'm seeing them in my dms and I send voice notes and all that where it's me personally, they hear my voice.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: I love that. That's so good. So where can people find it?

Tania Khazaal: to get the Power Pillar audio series, just DM me on Instagram, CEO Rogers, and I will send you free access to the Power Pillar audio series that I usually would just send to my premium coaching.

Tania Khazaal: Those few minutes alone have been so transformational for those members, so I feel like just listening to that is going to be huge for them.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah. I appreciate you sharing that, and I'll put that link in the show notes as well so they can find you. That brings to mind generosity. And you mentioned this is something that [00:30:00] you have reserved for your premium clients. So I know that there's a balance of what do you give away and what do you reserve for your premium clients?

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Can you share your philosophy on that? And then also I'll come back around to remind you, but I'd like to hear your thoughts about generosity from a godly perspective.

Tania Khazaal: Yeah. So I love to give people so much of value so that they feel like they can trust me in a, in right now in society it's so hard to trust because people have been scammed. There's information overload. People are promising that's not things that are not true. and so hence why I created the She's in Power community 'cause I would normally charge tens of thousands of dollars to have for years to work with me and my team. And then I was like. But I need something affordable for them. And if there's a calling on my chest from God, I'm going to do it, even if it doesn't make sense on paper, I'm going to do it because I know that success is going to pay off somehow.

Tania Khazaal: And so I love just giving so much information because naturally people are like, but I want more. What's the next step? At which point is okay, you can come into my, She's in Powers only $39 a month. So that's a no brainer. But then there's a premium coaching for those who want more support, who want to expedite the business or the relationship or all of those things and that ties into generosity with God is because I feel like when you're doing, when you're following your call and when you're doing God's work, it's like that generosity just brings 10 x. Like the more I give, the more I receive. And I feel like, when people are scared or scarce or holding onto their money so tightly, that creates more scarcity because there's no trust, there's no faith, and you're forgetting that He's in power with something so much bigger versus saying, no, I'm abundant.

Tania Khazaal: He's abundant, he's created nature and water and everything about around us so abundant money is no different. Money is just scarce. It is just a currency. It's just a frequency. And by, by allowing that [00:32:00] frequency to say, I'm going to give, 'cause I know I'm going to give so much more and I want you to trust me and I want you to like, know,and trust me and all of the stuff.

Tania Khazaal: I want you to actually love me, not even like me. And so I'm okay with that and I just know that God will reward it that way too.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: When you think about one of your deeper friendships, how would you describe that relationship?

Tania Khazaal: I have one friendship with, I. Someone I've been friends with since kindergarten actually. For years we stopped talking because there was no social media or anything like that, right? So we were best, I still have my yearbook where she circled and said, best friends forever, kindergarten. And then we stopped talking to each other for years and years and years.

Tania Khazaal: One day I was at a friend's house and she was at that friend's house. And when we Saw each other it was like we never stop being friends. And she is the one friend that I could say, this is why I'm so passionate about women community. I think it's so powerful because it's not very common or easy to find women who are genuinely so freaking happy for you that they will fight for you to find that health and happiness.

Tania Khazaal: And that is my friend, she's like that with me. But I'm like that with her even more where it's like I, I was the only person that told her not to get married to her husband. I was the only person that said, he's not healthy for you. And when she married him, I was the only person that said, don't have kids with him.

Tania Khazaal: He's not good for you. And she eventually left him and she's like, you are the only person. And it was the best decision I ever did by leaving. And now she's in a very healthy and happier relationship and all of the stuff. And we've cried together from how much we appreciate each other. We've cried in being like, you're the most beautiful, smartest person that I know in your story, and I see through you and I see what you're capable of.

Tania Khazaal: That in itself is so empowering and why I created that, she's empowered communities, because women in community where you're like, just feeling seen and feeling [00:34:00] heard and sharing back that mirror towards you on how amazing you are is so transformational because many people don't have those friends.

Tania Khazaal: Many people don't have the ability to share their wins and their purpose and where they're going is. And it's a beautiful thing. So I'm really thankful for that friendship.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Thanks for sharing that. I appreciate it so much. What is one thing that you would say you want to talk more about, but you just haven't gotten there yet?

Tania Khazaal: Hmm. Haven't gotten there yet. I feel like I'm on the cusp of it right now. But I would say relationships.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Okay.

Tania Khazaal: So something I noticed, it was honestly in the last only few months that I realized that, I've always known that I'm very gifted with it, but it's only come to the surface to say, why aren't I sharing more about this?

Tania Khazaal: I have been able to repair some of the worst broken relationships from I, I rebuilt my relationship with my mom, with my sister. That was a very broken relationship with my brothers, with my husband and his mom, who pretty much abandoned him when he was 14 years old. and I have an ability to help people understand the other perspective, but not on the high surface level. People are like, I did try to put myself in their shoes. I'm talking about like deep conversations of taking it to the core of the emotion and building out a story from the other perspective to the point where you actually start to feel bad and you actually are like, I feel bad.

Tania Khazaal: I want to connect with them. I didn't realize how broken they were and when I realized how powerful that was, that best friend I mentioned to you, how she repaired her relationship with her family I realized that people yearn for that connection. A lot of their brokenness comes from my relationship with my mom or my dad or my siblings or something that they said to me when I was younger.

Tania Khazaal: A lot of that unhappiness or the limiting beliefs and the confidence insecure... everything. Everything. It comes from that. And so when you're able to repair those relationships and come [00:36:00] from a different perspective and those they not even repair, it rebuilds those relationships stronger and better than you probably ever had it before.

Tania Khazaal: Everything just works better now. You have more confidence and motivation in work now you have more confidence and motivation in life. Now you have more confidence and motivation in your health and everything. And that is a topic I'm realizing now that I personally think I'm so gifted in because I'm genuinely, I don't believe if there's someone in your life that if they were to pass away tomorrow, you are going to regret it, you need to repair it. You need to rebuild it. And that's a lot of the times where I start that conversation and then reverse engineer it. And it's to the point that my, my husband is best friends with his mom now and she lives with us.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Wow. Wow. That takes us back to the beginning, where we were talking about starting a business and what you need to start a business, so it was before we went on air, but in that segment of conversation, it's about going and doing the thing that aligns with your purpose, with your calling, that you sense and people have misconceptions about, I need this, that, or the other thing.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: I need a degree, I need a certificate. I need this experience. Would you speak into what they really need to know about sharing their purpose?

Tania Khazaal: Absolutely. So a lot of the times people first find, I have to find my purpose. It's not about finding a purpose, it's discovering. It's in you. What is that purpose? What is it? How can I find it? And a lot of the times it always comes from your story. What did you go through? Tell me one or two of your biggest hardships that you've ever gone through.

Tania Khazaal: How did you overcome it? Great. Now teach that to other people. You don't need to have a business degree. You don't have to have anything. People are looking for someone who has gone through what they're going through, who are ahead of them, who could show them the way. And I typically will say this, I'll say, let's just say you're fighting as someone like myself, someone who's fighting chronic anxiety. 

Tania Khazaal: When I was dealing with it, if you had two people come to you, you had the psych, the psychologist who's got [00:38:00] a degree, who studied it, who's helped many people with their anxiety, but has never personally experienced anxiety, she doesn't know what it's like. Or you go to the person who's got no degree, nothing but fought anxiety for so long, overcame it their natural way, and now they want to teach you exactly how they did that.

Tania Khazaal: Who do you trust more? Most people to go to the person that had the life experience.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah, for sure.

Tania Khazaal: When people recognize, you're right, people are coming to me for my life experience. It doesn't matter how messy or how much knowledge I have in the corporate or the degrees or all of that, that is your calling.

Tania Khazaal: That's where your calling starts. I want to say, your purpose is not some end all, be all destination. A lot of people think it is. Your purpose starts with that one step; then God shows you the next one and the next one, and your purpose starts to evolve as you evolve as a person as well.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah, he never gives you the whole thing. We want the whole thing. We want the roadmap. We want all the pit stops. We want to know all the meals on the way. And he says no, because faith is a muscle to exercise and to say, okay, I've gotta believe in what I can't see, but I have this sense. I know that this is the direction that he is revealing to me, that's the hardest thing is, and I don't know. I'm not a man, so I don't know, but I suspect it's harder for women because we have all these things going on in our heads about what we want to happen and what we think quote unquote should happen, which I think is a horrible word. You should never should anything.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: it's just not a great word, because there, they, there's shame in that when you say, I should have, you, you're shaming yourself on that instead

Tania Khazaal: I like I, anytime I hear that, I should, I also say, okay, what can you do to fulfill a little bit of that should, because obviously something inside of you wants it more, why aren't you doing it? Why aren't you taking those baby steps? Because even if it's 18 minutes a day, that should starts to disappear and you're like, I am doing it.

Tania Khazaal: Not I should. I'm doing it. And it's the should that you're referring to and I agree with is I should have this is what my success looks like. This is that. It's no, [00:40:00] none of it should be external material or anything. It should more be like I should and will be happy in a relationship, should and will be happy in my family home, should and will be happy in the work that I'm doing, should and will be happy in my body and my appearance.

Tania Khazaal: Then the monetary success just naturally comes because you're in such alignment with your calling and with who you are.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah. What's God teaching you right now?

Tania Khazaal: God is teaching me right now that you can be successful and abundant and still get closer to me.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah.

Tania Khazaal: For a long time. One of the biggest things that I struggled with was. I have all this success and I'm so scared that it's going to pull me away from God is because I grew up in very, I grew up in community housing, so it was a lot of, money is the root of all evil.

Tania Khazaal: My parents fought only about money all the time, and when you see big billionaires,me personally,bill Gates or this is that, it's like you or the a-listers, right? I see a lot of corruption around these very wealthy people. And so for a long time I thought that if I'm seeking to make more and more money, it's going to make me a bad person.

Tania Khazaal: Until I realized, no, I think it's a duty for me to get so rich so that I can not only teach that to other people because, but money in the right hands can actually make change and it's going to pull me closer to God to be able to pursue that. And so I had to have conversations when I was thinking about like King Solomon and all those, I was like, look at all these wealthy people that create a transformation. 

Tania Khazaal: and so that's the journey that I'm at in my life is really stepping into no, you can be abundant and full of faith and they go hand in hand if you do it right.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah. That's so good. So good. So how do you introduce yourself at events?

Tania Khazaal: I never know, to be honest with you. I typically say, Hey, I'm the herbalist 'cause people know my brand usually, but, I never know what to say. They're like, oh, what do you do? Coaching, [00:42:00] consulting. I've got an online business, because it's, I feel like it's one of the funny questions because I am, I teach about life and I teach about relationships, and I teach about business and I teach about healthy habits.

Tania Khazaal: And so I would just say I'm a coach, I'm a consultant. it's hard to answer that. And they're like, oh, what kind of coach? And I was like, oh, now it's another rabbit hole. Okay. Yeah, it's good.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: When you think about podcasting for your business, how does podcasting compliment your business?

Tania Khazaal: It's so incredibly powerful because this is how you amplify your voice. And I actually want to, I know we talked about it. want to start my own podcast too, because just to be able to get into conversation. People want to hear the conversations now. Like we talked about the AI world and everything.

Tania Khazaal: People want to hear the conversations. People are listening in their day-to-day life. And this is the best way that I truly believe that people can hear you, not just on social media, but podcasts. no one's listening to a 45 minute video on Instagram, right? You're getting snippets. But this podcast is I'm getting deeper.

Tania Khazaal: I'm getting that human connection. I'm learning without needing the classroom environment. So I think it's probably revolutionary in terms of where it's going and how it is also for the business where I'm able to get to new audiences and share my message with so many more people.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: What would you say is, are some of the hurdles that come up for you when you say, oh, I know we've talked about starting. What are some of the hurdles that you see?

Tania Khazaal: I wouldn't even say me personally,I would say it's time in terms of where my priorities are. For me personally, I don't think it should be, if anyone is thinking it should definitely not be like, when I'm ready. 'cause it's not about being ready. and I hear that all the time. When I'm ready, I'll be ready soon.

Tania Khazaal: You're never going to be a hundred percent ready. You gotta show up, you gotta do it. Then you learn the skills and you build the reps to actually get better. For me personally, it's just a matter of time. Like my goal is by the end of the year because of the She's In Power community that we just launched and rebuilt and everything.

Tania Khazaal: So it's been a huge transformation and so I'm being realistic with my energy and time of where it's going. And then once this is stable and good and we've built it out, [00:44:00] now I'm jumping to the next one because I absolutely, I'm actually doing weekly audio drops in the She's In Power community, which has been a really nice way to start practicing those audio drops for the podcast.

Tania Khazaal: So it's nice.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah. That's really great. what I heard you say is that you have a business plan and you're looking at the business plan to say, Hey, when does this actually fit into when I'm going to go? Which is the right way to make the decision about podcasting. Because some people will say, it doesn't line up and it may not be a good fit for your business, but you don't know that if you don't have a business plan.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: So I appreciate you

Tania Khazaal: right. Future pacing is the most important thing I have to future pace. Okay. what's the one year goal? It doesn't have to be necessarily a five year goal 'cause things change, but this is what I'm going to do in the next 30 days, 90 days, six months, one year plan and am I going towards each one of those?

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Yeah. That's so good. So good. thanks so much for coming on. I appreciate having you.

Tania Khazaal: Yeah, of course.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Phew. Were you taking notes? So many nuggets popped up in this episode.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: The importance of aligning your business and your podcast with your personal story and your purpose, that you're not going to go find your purpose. Your purpose is already within you.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: That sustainable long-term income comes from you, building skills, sharing authentically how it's going for you and serving the true needs of your audience. Tania and I touched on the myth of balance and how you must prioritize your time with your business, your work, your family, your rest.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: We also spoke about generosity, community building and giving value. Yes, for free. Giving your best stuff away because that is how you build trust, particularly in the environment we are in right now. It's important that we have assets and gifts to give to people so they can learn what it would be like to work with us when they say yes to investing.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: We also touched on throughout this [00:46:00] episode the role of mindset, faith, and future pacing when you're creating your business so you can support all of your goals. And let's face it, a lot of times we get caught up in, this is my business. I need to do these things from my business. And then we separate that from this is my family life and these are my relationship goals.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: When we're really that ball of yarn all together that... there's an interplay between all the main priorities in our life, and the more we fight that, the more difficult it's going to be for us.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: So we need to seek integration and all of these point to sitting at the throne of grace, spending time with the Lord to receive the direction that he has for us.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: It doesn't mean everything's going to go perfectly. Let me tell you! Editing this podcast, there were so many snafus. It's going to be like that sometimes. It's also a pretty good indication that you're on the right track.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: Ensure you are not flying solo. Ensure you have a mentor. Ensure you have a coach. Ensure you have a strategy for your podcast.

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: I can fill all three of those buckets for you. If you are ready to take the next step, head on over to coachjenrogers.com/powerhours to get started. 

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: It was an absolute delight to connect with Tania Khazaal. 

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: in South Florida earlier this year and to record this episode, and I cannot wait to see what God is going to do next. Be sure you connect with her on the socials. 

Jen Rogers, Podcast Strategist: That'll do it for episode number 284 of Simplify Podcasting. I'm your host, Jen Rogers, and I cannot wait to reconnect with you in the next episode!